Below is a rough collection of media snippets and information collected on Christopher Watts. This list will be updated so be sure to leave a comment with anything you know that should be added to it.
Mid-to-end AUGUST 2018
- Christopher was seen barbecuing by himself by a neighbor at 19:15 on August 12, the night before the murders.
- Shanann’s flight was unexpectedly delayed by three hours. That’s why she arrived home at 01:48 on Monday, August 13th.
- In the days before her death, Shanann shared fears with friends that Chris was cheating on her. She also complained of not feeling well.
- On May 7 2018 the Watts family appeared in Strive magazine, the official magazine for Thrive brand promotors.
- In the article Shanann articulated how she turned herself inside out to make others happy: “My role was as a caretaker and to make people feel better, yet I was wiped out…I was working 65 hours a week and was also taking care of my kids. I rarely got any sleep, but my passion for wanting more for my kids was stronger than anything else.”
- Nicole Atkinson, the friend who last saw Shanann alive, attended the same business trip.
- Atkinson described the last time she saw Shanann, after dropping her off from the airport: “She went inside, turned around and waved at me and shut the door.”
- The parents faced a hefty court fine with Wyndham Hill Master Association Inc.a homeowners association. They were due in court on August 24 to face a lawsuit for a $1,533.80 debt. An attorney was not listed in court records for the Watts.
- Shanann had a doctor’s appointment on the same morning of her murder. She was expected to hear her unborn child’s heartbeat for the first time.
- The doctor’s appointment was at 10:00.
- They planned to name their unborn son Niko.
- A Change.org petition started by friends demands that Colorado adopt a new law, named “Niko’s Law,” to make the killing of an unborn baby like the Watts’ son first-degree murder. If passed it will recognize an unborn 15 week old foetus as having the legal right to life.
- Another friend had arranged to meet Shanann on the day of her death. Shanann never showed up.
- A drone spotted a bedsheet in a field near the oil tanks.
- The sheet matched the pattern of several pillowcases and a top sheet recovered from a kitchen trash can from [Watts’] residence early that day.
- Christopher worked for Anadarko Petroleum Co.
- Shanann worked for Le-Vela, a company that sells Thrive health and wellness products.
- She worked at Le-Vel since January 2016 and had become a successful brand promoter, rising to the 80K level.
- Christopher’s income was close to the $60K mark in 2018.
- Shanann had been with her children visiting family for six weeks before her work trip. She then returned home on August 7 and left again for Arizona on August 10, leaving her daughters at home with her husband.
- Shanann’s father is Frank Rzucek Sr., the most prominent family member to speak out about the events thus far.
- On July 31, Shanann wrote enthusiastically on Facebook about her August plans.“I’m so excited about August! Girls and I Fly home August 7th! I fly to Scottsdale Aug 10-12 for an amazing weekend with my Le-Vel family! Gender Reveal for Baby Watts #3! Our team is having lots of success, growth both personally and business, several new friends starting their Thrive Experience and lots of new Promoters who decided to change their life! Lots of excitement, Lots to be Thankful for!”
- Photos taken of the Watts family on a family trip to a trampoline park in Myrtle Beach days before the murders appear to show Christopher disengaged. The photographer, Michele Greer, also said she didn’t see Christopher talking to his wife.
- Shanann was 34 years old when she died. She was a year older than her husband.
- Christopher Watts was originally from Oklahoma.
- In recent times, the Watts family had undertaken overseas trips and appeared to be going through a more prosperous phase. These included vacations to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic, Puerto Vallarta in Mexico, Las Vegas and San Diego.
- Christopher’s colleagues seemed to be aware that he was having an affair.
- Their list of assets included their home valued at $400,000, a 2006 Ford Mustang with more than 97,000 miles on it, wedding rings and a dog, which they valued at $5.
- The list of creditors included Ford Motor Company and Toys “R” Us.
- Their debts included $11,245 in student loans, according to Denver U.S. Bankruptcy Court records.
- Choice Recovery in Columbus, Ohio, was seeking to recover $740 for health and chiropractic services.
- Byron Falls, who bought Shanann Watts’ house in Belmont, west of Charlotte, said the Watts family had been in a hurry to sell and left behind the furniture as part of the sale.
- The Watts appeared to be going through a rocky period when they moved from North Carolina to Colorado in 2012.
- The address of their home in a quiet subdivision 10 minutes drive east of Frederick, Colorado: 2825 Saratoga Trail.
- On June 22nd Shanann wrote on Facebook: “Success is my best revenge!”
- On August 8th, 5 days before the murders, Shanann posted the following message on Facebook:“Two loads of laundry, dusted the whole house, cleaned the refrigerator and pantry, went grocery shopping to two stores with the kids, took Celeste to a doctor’s appointment, emptied seven suitcases and three backpacks, fed kids a ‘million’ times, showered, went through six weeks of mail, washed the kitchen floor, cleaned up a kids’ disaster and repacked my suitcase for Arizona this Friday. All while four months preggo!”
- Four-year-old Bella has been described as a talkative child, for her age.
- A pair of women’s shoes that had been kicked off lay by the front door.
- A suitcase, apparently from her Arizona trip, stood at the bottom of the stairs.
- The bodies were dumped at a work site 40 miles east of the family’s home.
- The oil site has been identified as CERVI 319 with GPS coordinates 40.21624374, -104.36667
- The girls’ bodies were submerged in crude oil for four days.
- The bodies of the children were submerged in separate tanks.
- Shan’ann was buried near two oil tanks.
- Watts worked at the location until he was arrested.
- The Watts couple married in North Carolina less than six years ago, in 2012.
- They moved to Colorado soon after getting married.
- On Tuesday, the day before his arrest on Wednesday August 15, Watts issued a televised plea for the return of his wife and daughters. The plea occurred on the morning after the murder.
- According to Chris Watts’s 2015 paycheck he was paying $1.20 per month in Child Lie Insurance, and $3.00 per month in Spouse Life Insurance.
- Murder is punishable by death in Colorado.
- After his family went “missing,” Chris didn’t stay in their empty house alone. Instead, Nick and Amanda Thayer opened up their home to him.
- Shanann had a dog called Deeter. In one interview, a dog barks and Chris Watts reacts disproportionately. Dogs also played a role in the Scott Peterson case. Laci had a dog called McKenzie.
- According to Amanda Thayer, Shan’ann had only jokingly mentioned suspicions of Chris having an affair.
- “Honestly, she wasn’t worried, but when your husband doesn’t answer his text messages, as a woman, your thought process just goes to the wrong things. It was never a serious concern of hers.”- Amanda Thayer
- Shan’ann met Chris online during “Dark Period 8 Years Before Murder” – People
- “I believe that everything in life happens for a reason, and I also believe people are placed in our life for a reason.”- Shanann Watts Facebook post, April 2018.
- In the half-hour Facebook-Live clip posted below, we get an inside glimpse into the Watts household. It’s an extended view. In the first few minutes Shanann comments about her younger daughter’s restlessness: “This child does not sit still – ever!”
- At ten minutes into the clip Shanann says: “No matter what you do, you just have to love what you do. And I love what I do.” When she tries to illustrate it with examples, Shanann thinks and apologises for rambling. It’s an interesting moment, because one can’t help wondering – are you really happy?
- From the same clip: “I will continue not letting the haters get in my way. I will continue not to be discouraged. I will continue not letting people judge…me, or what I do. I will continue to not let people influence my decisions on what I do in life. I will continue fighting…for my children.For my husband. For myself.” [Shanann seems a little tearful here]. “And nobody’s gonna hold me back…from…my future. My kid’s future. No one’s gonna tell me the right way of living life. No one’s gonna tell me what I should and shouldn’t do for a job. Like…if I’m bringing in income and taking care of my family then I’m being a better mom than I’ve [with emphasis] ever been because I’m here….You have to be strong, you have to be confident…You have to be you at the end of the day.” What does she mean by this? Chris is in the room with her – is she saying what she’s saying purposely to communicate with him?
- “You’re on top of the world when you surround yourself with people that make you better. Like, they don’t bring the bad outa you, they bring the good outa you. And from that point on I fought like hell. I worked my tail off. I busted my butt. I was never a big…um…dreamer sort of thing, cos…I-my insecurities brought me down. But I was single for a long time [gulps emotionally] and my goal was to buy a house. I was tired of paying someone else’s mortgage, because you know that’s what you do when you rent. And…I wanted to buy a house. Aaannd…I wanted to buy a house that I could resell one day and make a profit off of. And so I worked and worked and worked and worked. I lost a lotta friends because a lotta my friends were still young. And I was 25-years-old when I built my first house. My family doesn’t come from money, we always worked hard for what we had. And…I did. I bought my first house at 25-years-old. And that was the biggest accomplishment I felt I’ve ever done because it felt like I did it by myself. I did it by working my tail off [laughs]. And…um…I had that to show for it. Ummm…and then I met Chris. Uhh…my health challenges happened. Um…I was diagnosed with uh…um…health challenges…[gulps emotionally] and…then I met Chris. I met Chris because of those health challenges. Um…my friend actually sent me a friend suggestion for him. It was actually from his cousin’s wife. And…um…I deleted it. Like…I’mm not interested…I don’t wanna meet a guy. Um, so I deleted her friend suggestion for him…” This has echoes of Laci writing a message on a note, or was it a napkin, and Scott throwing it away. That lives can turn, can be made or broken, on such fickle behavior, such small moments is frightening.
- “I was diagnosed two months later…and I went through…I would say…one of the darkest times of my life because things just got scarier. Um…worse. I thought my life was crumbling underneath me and I didn’t know which way to turn. I didn’t have a lotta friends at the time because [dog barks]…friends I did have I lost because they didn’t understand that I looked perfectly fine, and I felt horribly inside. Uhm…horribly. I felt a lot of discomforts. A lot of aches. A lot of bad moods. Ummm…I met a lotta friends online…aannnnndd in the part where I gave up on everything, I quit my job [it was kinda temporarily] of nine years. I just said I’m done. I can’t do this anymore. You don’t understand me. You don’t understand what’s going on in my life and I quit. And…I…gotta friend suggestion-friend request from Chris.” Smiles.
- “I was in a really really really bad place, and I gotta friend suh-friend request from Chris on Facebook. And I was like – uhhhh, what the heck. I’m never gonna meet him. Accept.”
- “Well one thing led to another and eight years later we have two kids, [gushes breathlessly] we live in Colorado and he…he’s the best thing that has ever happened to me. And because of my health challenges. Because I got so sick, I let him in. And he only knew me at that time. He knew me at my worst. And he accepted me.”
- “And [brushes the hair off her face]you know, through your vows, like through sickness and everything…he’s been there. He was the one who let me lay on him and fall asleep for 3-and-a-half hours, on his lap, while he had to pee. Um…he is the best thing that has ever-ever happened to me.”
- “Know that no matter how hard life gets. No matter how low you feel, know that deep down, like in your heart, that’s there’s a purpose, there’s a reason – for everything. We may not understand it at the time. It’s hard to understand it at the time [laughs]. I’m telling you, when I met Chris I pushed him away. I gave every excuse for him to run [looks at the sky] …I gave him an out every single day. I gave him an out. And if you guys know my story with Chris, you know I gave him an out. I mean, he went to my colonoscopy. I…tortured him. I rejected him. I pushed him away time and time and time again. But when I cancelled dates – last minute – cos that’s how life is with my health challenges, you cancel things last minute and it’s hard for people to get, it’s hard for me to understand, but – he stuck around. And he stuck around because…he was the one for me. And he…is amazing. And I can’t tell you how wonderful he is.”
- “But on top of all of that, when I got sick I reached out to support groups online. And I built relationships with so many – so many people that have similar health challenges or the same, and we’ve built a relationships stronger than some relationships I’ve known for over 20 years. Some that I’ve known over – my whole life. And these people are in my life for a reason.”
- “Life happens [Dog barks, Shanann snaps her finger]. So write down all the things you think are bad in your life. All the negative in your life. Write it down. [Sniffs]. But then I want you to…on the other side of the paper, write down what has happened in your life that you’re grateful for. The third step is – take a pen and mark over, like the connect the two things that happened.”
- -5:30 – -5:00: “Do you see what I want to do here. I want you to connect the negatives with the positives in your life. And when you look at that, life becomes so much brighter. Like [glances up], so much brighter when you can do that. So, you know, sometimes we have to reassess. Like…reassess our life, like…[glances sideways]…sometimes we feel like life’s attacking us. And when we do, we have to sit back and look at the big picture. And it may not be something right away, and if it’s happening to you right now, you may not see the big picture. You may not see it until six months down the road, or what the connection is. But when you do, it’s gonna all make sense. It’s all gonna click. And you’re gonna be like, why was I beating myself up for no reason at all! Like no reason at all! At all. “
- On August 2nd, two weeks before the murders, Chris seemed indifferent to his wife and children.
- “I’m living proof that something good comes out of everything negative. Something good comes out of everything you don’t want.”
- Unconfirmed on August 28 [and probably not true]: Chris Watts may have been having an affair with an ex-stripper, a man. More here.
- Shanann was suffering from the auto-immune disease lupus, which causes fertility problems and high-risk pregnancies. Longevity is also curtailed. More here.
- On August 29 People provide teasing “corroboration” that Chris Watts was a serial adulterer with both men and women, claiming: A source close the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris has had relationships with both men and women outside of his marriage. That may or may not be. If the man claims to have been in a 10 month relationship with Watts, doesn’t he have a single selfie, or a photo taken at Watts’ place? If he had, that story would be gold to the tabloids. So where is it?
- On August 30, some popular support becomes evident for Chris Watts. https://twitter.com/JWinston31/status/1035074582884114432
- Chris Watts’ fate lies in the hands of District Attorney Michael Rourke. Colorado law gives prosecutors up to 63 days after a defendant’s arraignment to determine if the death penalty will be sought. According to The Coloradoan, Chris Watts’ arraignment has not yet been scheduled. Rourke would not say whether he was considering capital punishment in the Watts case.
- Chris Watts and Shanann were seeing arguing earlier in the summer of 2018. One could say “all couples argue” but this argument becomes relevant and important given what ultimately happened to the other half of that couple. It would be useful to know what they argued about and if Shanann ever told anyone. According to People:“I think they were always putting on a show,” says Melinda Phillips, who recalls seeing Chris and Shan’ann “clearly having an argument” in their driveway one day earlier this summer.“Their body language was really angry, and they were just fighting back and forth,” Phillips, 34, says. “He was gesturing his hands and they were shaking their heads, and it was definitely an argument.”“I didn’t really think much of it, because Lord knows that I’ve had the same arguments with my husband,” she continues. “They caught my eye and suddenly, everything changed. They stopped being so angry, and they started talking a lot more calmly. He even gave her a hug. Mind you, this was in the space of 30 seconds to a minute.”“From a full-blown fight to hugs in less than a minute, it was incredible,” she says.
- After initial reports that Watts showed no emotion, on August 31 a “second” source reported that he’d seen Chris Watts in jail, that he was “in mourning” and that it [grief?] was starting to “sink in”.
- Shanann Watts’ friend, Ashley Bell, told KDVR the “gender reveal” party was going to be held at the Watts’ home on Saturday 18 August in the town of Frederick, north of Denver. Shanann and her children were murdered early on Monday morning, August 13.
- Shanann’s funeral, along with her children, was held at the Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Pinehurst, North Carolina. Boles Funeral Homes oversaw the service.
- A tribute from her younger brother Frankie Rzucek read: “She was born to be a mother, boy was she ready. She couldn’t wait, she was my mum x10. Growing up she was a perfect role model. he was ready to take on the world, and we know she did.”
- Frank Rzucek described his daughter at the funeral with two words: “Pure love.”
- Colorado is one of 12 states without a law broadly allowing for homicide charges in the violent death of fetuses.
- From the funeral nomenclature it’s clear that her name is spelled Shan’ann. Apologies for previous posts and mentions that spell her name otherwise.
- There may be further “evidence” on Trent Bolte, the alleged gay lover of Chris Watts. The problem is it’s also from Trent Bolte. And since it’s from Bolte’s own Facebook account, and no other media are covering it, it seems less and less likely that Bolte has anything to do with the Watts family. Personally I still don’t buy the Trent Bolte gay lover theory, but here goes. On September 1, “pasdar” posted this on reddit: I’m not convinced he is telling the truth, but he apparently posted on his Facebook page that he met with detectives on Friday night and provided DNA samples, buccal swabs and texts that he exchanged with Chris. He also said that they took towels that apparently had Chris’ DNA on them. Also took a gold chain that Chris had given him for Valentine’s Day. The detectives also told him he could have been next, that Chris was plotting against him because he blames him for breaking up his marriage after Shan’ann found texts from him to Chris on July 4. Could it be true? I guess time will tell. Shan’ann was is NC on July 4th, so how did she see the texts? (Unless that’s when Chris was visiting or she somehow had access to his texts). Also, he’s been broken up with Chris since April and he still has used towels laying around? But if it is true, it shows how messed up this guy was that he could portray this devoted family man to the world…
- “You are always Daddy’s little girl.” – Frank Rzucek
- “From a young age I always knew my sister was going to be successful and nothing would stand in her way. She was born to be a mother. Boy, was she ready! Closets were full even before she knew she was pregnant. She couldn’t wait. She was my mom, times ten — whether either one of them wanted to admit it. She had ambition in her eyes and wanted a great life for her children and herself. She was ready to take on the world and we know she did.” – Frankie Rzucek. Notice the mismatch between Frank’s message and her brother’s. Funerals are all about sentiment, and it may be unkind to read to deeply into emotional messages, but it’s also at funerals where a crucial aspect is revealed – the identity of the victims. What we get here is this contrasting idea of someone who is prepared and ready, and someone who is, in a sense, still a little girl. It’s not necessarily the case that murder victims are naive. Sometimes killers are cold, cruel and callous no matter how paranoid their prey. But in a family murder, we really do have to look at the idea of naivete and vulnerability. Were either of these adults really ready to take on the world? Were they really ready to be married? Were they really ready to be parents? Was the one more ready than the other in one area, and the other less ready than the other in another area? If we consider this idea from the perspective of the two meeting on Facebook, it casts further aspersions on their experience of real life and real love. Couldn’t they meet the right people in the real world the “right way”? Or is meeting people on Facebook with a view to romance the new normal? If so, how do we tell what’s not normal on social media?
- A colleague of Shan’ann’s mother told WRAL that the couple “was having problems” and that Shan’ann’s mother, Sandi Onorati, told her that Shan’ann and Chris were planning to separate. It may be that Shan’ann was continuing to peddle a fairy tale on social media simply to make money.
- According to The Daily Beast 2 friends said Shan’ann had confided in them that Chris was cheating on her:Two of Shanann’s friends said she suspected Chris was cheating on her. Amanda Thayer told Denver7 that Shanann thought infidelity was “a possibility” but had said Chris wasn’t a player. “At the same time, she was like, ‘He has no game.’ He didn’t have it with her when they first met… She did everything,” Thayer said.Nickole Atkinson—the last person besides Chris to see Shanann alive—told ABC Newsthat Shanann “entertained the idea” that he was unfaithful. “He wasn’t being the loving Chris that he normally was. He wasn’t touching or hugging or doing stuff like that. He wasn’t being as attentive to the girls as he normally is,” Atkinson said.
- Chris’s friends described him to The Daily Beast as reserved, smart and gentle, and a man known to get along with anyone. In other words, a charmer.
- Brandi Smith, a high-school friend, told The Daily Beast:“Everyone liked him. It’s actually amazing how many people that knew him have completely turned on him and think he’s this monster when he hasn’t even been convicted…Chris found himself as a father. Those girls brought him to life and out of his shell. He’s not a crazy person. He’s not a violent, abusive or mean person.I’ll be broken if he’s convicted and it was a lie but there’s a chance… and it’s not fair that he’s being crucified.”
- But why was he in a shell to begin with if everyone liked him?
- “This was one of the smartest students I ever had … the guy had a photographic memory. He knew chapter and verse, everything you could ask about NASCAR. Anything.” — Retired automotive teacher Joe Duty, on Chris Watts
- Smart – but how smart is smart in the context of an auto mechanic?
- “It’s amazing that my husband and I have created more memories in the last two years than we did in the previous eight,” Shan’ann in STRIVE article
- Shan’ann boasted of Chris’s fitness progress—he went from a pants size of 38 to 32 in 2018
- In a June Facebook post, Shan’ann discussed grocery shopping for Chris, who would be a “bachelor” for five weeks while the family was gone. He joined them for the last week of the vacation.
“He was very passive … She was very aggressive with him. Bossy. Do this. Do that. Telling him what to do. Dominating the relationship.” — Greg Alore, Shanann’s former boss
- Now some evidence on Bolte that’s not from Trent Bolte, but from his brother. The fact that The Daily Beast is citing this is significant:When reached by The Daily Beast, the man’s brother said the story was true. “I know my brother saw a different side of ‘loving’ Chris Watts,” the sibling said, adding that Chris “gave my brother his first lip botox injection.”The alleged lover told HLN that Chris “portrayed himself as this victim” who “would be shunned and he wouldn’t be allowed to see his girls” if he came out as non-heterosexual.“He told me that he was the victim of emotional and verbal abuse, and he was trapped in a loveless marriage,” the man said. “And he didn’t know any way out because of the kids.”
Why did the Watts family move to Colorado in the first place? Alore said the Wattses moved to Colorado after Chris accepted a job as a mechanic at the dealership in 2012. Shan’ann was hired by the company’s internet sales department and, according to online reviews, was a talented salesperson.
- “Shannan went out of her way to find the vehicle I wanted, as well as tirelessly went back and forth to get me the payments that I needed to get me into a new car. She was never pushy, and while I know she really wanted to sell a car, she never tried to sell me something that I didn’t want,” one customer wrote in April 2013.
- Linda Biggers, a realtor who listed Shanann’s home, told The Daily Beast she believes the couple moved because Chris got a job out West. “I think she wanted to get married and move to Colorado with him,” Biggers recalled. “The house was hers; it wasn’t his…. She just had a really beautiful home, it was beautifully furnished.”
- Shan’ann King hurried to sell her residence and left furniture behind as part of the sale, the buyer told the Associated Press. A deed for the house was signed in August 2012 while Shan’ann was living in Colorado, property records show.
- Bella Marie was born in December 2013
- A month before the birth of Celeste in July 2015 the couple filed for bankruptcy
- In April 2017, Shanann announced was leaving her job at the children’s hospital to become a full-time stay-at-home mom working for the Le-Vel supplement company, which makes Thrive dietary patches.
- On her one-year anniversary with the brand, she told Facebook friends she was “broke” when she started Le-Vel.
“Sometimes when you have children and your relationship starts to deteriorate a child could help repair it.”— Chris Watts, in a YouTube video on ‘Relationship Deterioration and Repair’
- March 15, 2018: Had about 2 hrs of sleep last night. I couldn’t sleep, I had a lot on my mind with girls surgery today. Took my 3 simple steps and I feel good! Love my Thrive. I can be awake and focused for my girls.
- May 7th post by Shan’ann of her husband: “Someone’s thrivin’…Up for work at 4am. Just got home and now mowing the grass. #likeaboss#helovesme
- June 15: “Chris, just said he’s been more talkative since he started #Burn! Talking to random strangers. #Hesaintrovert.”
- “I am really feeling the need to ‘gift’ this to my hubby for Father’s day!” one of Shan’ann’s friends commented. In response, Shan’ann joked, “Gift it then leave for the day.”
- Frankie Rzuce: “They were always well-dressed and well mannered. [Shan’ann] taught them to be brave and independent, just like Shan’ann. She was very successful and independent, before any man came along — and that’s just the way she wanted it.”
- Despite Shan’ann’s independence, Rzucek was always concerned about the distance between them. “I always worried about her and the girls being so far because I couldn’t protect them. Growing up, she was a perfect role model. She had a lot of friends and was very popular, which made it hard for me being her little brother trying to protect her from heartbreak and other things. She moved out at 18 and never looked back.”
- By early September, just three weeks after the murders that rocked Colorado, the Chris Watts case has become “an obsession” on Facebook.Shanann painted a portrait of the perfect family on social media. Homemade videos and photos she posted show what seemed to be a doting father and happily-married couple.“Eight years later, we have two kids, we live in Colorado and he’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me,” Shanann said in one of her Facebook live videos promoting her business.Other videos show Chris playing with Celeste and Bella while Shanann can be heard from behind the camera laughing and playing along.But that picture-perfect image was shattered when Frederick police along with Weld County prosecutors arrested Chris Watts for killing his own family and unborn child and then allegedly hiding their bodies at a Weld County oil and gas site where he worked.People from around the world are now combing through Shanann’s Facebook videos for answers or any clue to help them understand how a family who seemed so happy could end this tragically.
- According to an arrest affidavit Chris purportedly said he “went into a rage” and strangled Shan’ann. This is Chris’ version of what happened. It’s the “heat of passion” defense, but is it true?
- A source who has spoken with Watts in jail tells PEOPLE that the 33-year-old suspect was “aware” of the funeral proceedings, but had no input in it. “He knew better than to suggest anything,” the source says. – People
- Cadaver dogs are the reason Chris was forced to confess. When they were brought into the home they alerted to all three victims, which proves all three were murdered inside the home.
…detectives believe Watts killed his children first and then killed his 15-week pregnant wife, the Daily Mail reports. According to police documents, Shan’ann was killed on August 13, the same day she returned home from an out-of-state business trip. The charges allege that Watts killed Bella and Celeste “between and including August 12 and August 13”. One way to determine if the children had been killed earlier is to test the cadaver traces. A stronger scent would obviously indicate an earlier death.
- The Daily Mail has mistakenly reported the following image as the last of Shan’ann Watts while she was still alive. In fact there is a more recent but blurry image of her here taken at the Thirsty Lion Gastropub & Grill. Shan’ann Watts’ final social media post appears to be after 18:30 on August 12th, in Tempe Arizona. It was a comment following a power outage in response to the above image.
- Scenes of the interior and exterior of the Watts home…
- Status on September 4th:Since he was put in jail, Watts has been placed under watch protocol, which is better known as suicide watch, and must be checked on by a detention officer every five to 10 minutes.Several times a day, someone enters Watts’ cell to make sure he is still alive and still in custody. There is also a cell check every day, in which he has to be completely searched.For one hour each day, Watts is allowed out of his cell, into a room where he is the only person present. He has also been denied access to television and is not allowed to have reading material in his cell.
- Chris Watts had “a lot of secrets…Every day, we learn more and more about him.” – People
- Was the fact that Chris was younger than Shan’ann a factor in his wanting to get rid of her the way he did? What’s the inference in a younger man with a slightly older women pregnant for the third time…?
- Is it possible for a small screen to capture a scenario of an adult strangling an infant? https://twitter.com/CrimeJusticeHLN/status/1037117441845866496
- September 5: Another woman has come forward saying she had an affair with Watts, and that they met on tinder. Not sure whether to put much faith in it, but if true, the allegations of rape fantasies show he did not like to be dominated as he was in his marriage. It also suggests he fantasized about strangling his wife long before he did, which feeds into premeditation and sadism.
- September 5 according to People: The co-worker with whom Colorado triple murder suspect Chris Watts was allegedly “actively involved in an affair” at the time his wife and daughters were killed has been opening up to police. He had initially denied the work affair to police, his arrest affidavit alleges. But authorities said they carried out a two-day investigation and confirmed the cheating.
- Shan’aan’s social media output dropped drastically in the month she was murdered. Did she suspect a serious deterioration in the family dynamic, or was she starting to experience it?
- Shan’ann Watts appears to be related to the actor Peter Onorati.
16. Arie King is the brother of Shan’ann’s first husband. Arie King told 9News.com in mid-August 2018: “I am sick over it, honestly. Any family she has here in North Carolina, we are heartbroken.” What was her first husband’s name and occupation? Why did they divorce?
17. The following neighbors have been identified thus far: Colleen Hendrickson, Ann Watt and Bette Marcoux. According to Marcoux:
Watts’ truck was on when she left for the gym early Monday. She goes to the gym at 5:15 a.m. five days each week, she said, and hadn’t noticed him heading out somewhere at that time before. The night before, he was barbecuing, she said.
18. Public records show that they were each arrested multiple times in North Carolina – he three times and her 15 times – but the charges in the arrests are not known. – Daily Mail, August 17. This could explain why the couple left North Carolina in such a hurry, and sold their house with all their furniture still inside. On the other hand, it’s possible the Daily Mail confused Shan’ann Watts with Shannon Ann Watts, a 28-year-old woman arrested 3 times and facing 16 charges in North Carolina.
This snippet was provided by one of the regular visitors to this blog, thanks Pauline.
19. More reason to believe Chris Watts could be bisexual comes via a profile posted on Adam4Adam, and the profile picture, showing a man with a goatee. The couch in the rear of the picture also looks like the same couch the 3 foot doll was modeled onto.
Unless he updated his waist size [last login was April 2008] but didn’t change his age, the waist size is also off.
The area code for Denver Colorado is 80205. Check of this profile for Bi-Guy #80205. Star sign Gemini [21 May – 21 June] Chris Watts’ birthday is May 17, 1985.
20. The Walk to the top of an oil tank & Actual Photos of Anadarco Oil Tank Site.
21. Police have found hundreds of hairs in the trunk of Chris Watss’ truck. It sounds like hair fragments, which suggests the hair was cut or shaved. If true, it’s a clear sign of processing a body, which invokes the idea of planning and premeditation.
22. Published on September 10th TWO FACE – the first definitive account of the case.
137. Defense attorneys for a Frederick man accused of killing his wife and daughters have filed a motion asking the government to investigate whether the prosecution has made extrajudicial statements or tried to prevent the spread of prejudicial information. What this means is the authorities are accused of leaking evidence to the media and thus potentially prejudicing a jury trial. Stan Garnett, the former district attorney for Boulder County, said it is not unusual for the defense to raise such issues early on, especially in high-profile cases.
While it’s standard to point out potential to prejudice a jury , Garnett said the wording of the motion — requiring “the government” to investigate the issue — is unusual.
It raises an issue, as the district attorney’s office is part of the executive branch of the state.
“If you’re asking them to be investigated, who would do it?” Garnett said. – timescall.com
23. 18CR2003 The People of the State of Colorado v. Christopher Lee Watts case archive.
24. Ashley Bell, a close friend of Shanann Watts who owns a tanning salon, said she got to know her because she was a customer.
Bell said the gender reveal party was supposed to be held at the Watts’ family home on August 18. Amanda Thayer’s daughter Emily was also meant to sleepover at the Watts’ home that weekend.
140. “He didn’t have a plan. Things unfolded so quickly that he was trapped with no alternative but to cooperate with the reporters [in his TV interviews]. I don’t think he anticipated that a friend of his wife would so quickly alert authorities to her failing to show up for a scheduled medical appointment and was not at the house on Monday.” – Philip Stinson, criminologist
25: Nickole Utoft Atkinson found out Chris Watts planned to separate from Shan’ann on the morning she disappeared, when she called him to find out whether he knew where she was.
“I didn’t find out that they were going to separate or anything like that until I called Chris that morning,” she told ABC (who credited her as Nicole Atkinson). “When I called him [August 13 at noon] and asked him where she was, that’s when he told me and I basically told him that that wasn’t my [concern] at that particular moment, because it wasn’t and that their business was their business, that they would either work it out or they wouldn’t.”
26. “He was defending himself, but it just didn’t make sense.” – Nickole Atkinson
27. “Things were not how I would think that they were…supposed to be…I guess. I had [inaudible] look in the garage, to see if her car was there and it was there, which was like peculiar, because Shan’ann doesn’t [shurgs] like go places without her car, usually, because both of the girls have car seats. The front door was locked different to the way it normally was. The girl’s beds weren’t made. Shan’ann was very OCD. Everything in her house had a place. Everything was labelled. If something was out of the ordinary it was really out of the ordinary for her.” – Nickole Atkinson
28. When Chris Watts told Nickole Shan’ann was on a playdate with the kids, she immediately wondered why she’d go on a playdate without her car, and why did he know she was on a playdate but couldn’t say who with.
“He just kept saying that he didn’t know where she was and that she was on a playdate. But he couldn’t give us the name of the friend. I knew he had something to do with it the day I was at his house with him, but I didn’t want to think that. Anyone in their right mind will start piecing things together and think something had happened, but you don’t want to go there. You want to believe the best in people.” – Nickole Atkinson
29. “I know that Chris and her were having some issues about three weeks prior to everything happening.” – Nickole Atkinson [But three weeks prior she was in North Carolina with her folks and he was in Colorado].
Watch the interview here.
30. Nichol Kessinger’s father appears to be Dwayne Kessinger, Chris Watts’ boss. The image from his LinkedIn page still exists on Google cache, but appears to have been recently removed from his profile.
31. September 12: Motion to obtain clear and visible Polaroid photograph and digital photographs of both Chris Watts’ right and left hands.
32. Kirk Nurmi [who defended Jodi Arias] weighs in.
33. On September 11 an unsubstantiated rumor on Twitter that Chris was involved with a Thrive colleague of Shan’ann’s surfaced. Josh Rosenberg appears in several images from the San Diego trip. This doesn’t appear to be credible line of inquiry.
34. Chris Watts does appear to have been actively cheating on his wife. Was it with one woman or several? Was it with women, or women and men? One thing is clear, he was paying an inordinate amount of attention to grooming himself in the lead up to this crime.
35. Trent Bolte – the man from Wyoming who claims to have had an affair with Chris Watts – has produced communications suggesting an affair between the two men. Previous screenshots of texts appear to have been fabricated so there’s some reason to believe these might be too. It ought to be very simple to prove whether they were in a months-long relationship – a photo of the two together.
Bolte provided CrimeOnline with screenshots of text messages between him and Watts that appear to support some type of relationship with Watts. Bolte said they were the first text messages he and Watts exchanged away from the MeetMe app. The messages differ starkly in tone from screenshots circulating on social media, purporting to be messages between Watts and Bolte. Bolte is aware of the images that have circulated and insists they have been fabricated, pointing out that the messages indicate the two men met on Tinder, which Bolte says is not true.
36. Chris Watts had been telling neighbors “fairly recently…in the week preceding the murders” in an “offhand way” that they’d been thinking of selling their Colorado home. – Ellen Killoran
37. Chris Watts is very specific at turns during his porch interview. He refers to Shan’ann arriving home at 01:48 [that’s very exact] and Nickole Atkinson calling him at 12:10. He also describes Shan’ann going to bed at 02:00 but not getting much sleep. In a police interrogation he said they’d discussed separating at 04:00 that morning. When he descibes himself leaving, he’s vague – it’s between 05:15 and 05:30. In fact he left at 05:37. This specificity is indicative of planning. He’s finely tuned to exact times, just as he had to be to the evolving pregnancy and the deteriorating numbers on their balance sheet.
38: CHRIS: I mean…could she have van- [interrupts himself]. Could she have just taken off, I dunno. But if someone has her and they’re not safe, I want them back now.
He starts off saying “could she have vanished” then tailors that to something better: “Could she have taken off? Could someone have taken her…” He’s doing this to seed the audience’s mind with the most credible alternative to what’s actually happened, to what he knows has actually happened.
39. As part of ongoing research into this case, I contacted a guy I’ve known since school who went from being in law enforcement to working for the oil and gas industry. I sent him information on the Anardarko oil site, and asked for his input on what the conditions are inside a tank. I will address some of the insights in a separate blog post, but a few things that stood out from our discussion included the following:
- Only an oil maintenance worker would have the tools/know-how to access and open the tanks. This would in theory limit the chances of discovery by anyone else to almost zero, at least while Watts was in charge of that particular site. This also explains why Watts initially repeated the words “vanished”. He wanted people to think that’s what had happened, because that’s what he intended to happen.
- The maintenance of the various oil sites are scheduled, sometimes with annual checks, sometimes once every 5 years. If Watts knew the schedule, and especially if the checks had just been completed for the year [or if Watts himself was responsible for performing them] then he could theoretically supervise and control the access and information regarding his own crime scene.
- The interior of the oil tanks is fairly static, with natural gas sequestrated through outlet sieves. These sieves could theoretically be blocked by human hair, and human hair could also theoretically be glued to the lid of the tanks. This might indicate a need to remove excess human hair, and possibly also clothing.
40. More photographs of Chris Watts with Shan’ann during her other pregnancies.
41. When were Bella and Celeste last seen alive? From early reports it seems this could have been at a birthday party in Erie on Sunday, August 12. Erie is less than 20 minutes drive east of Frederick.
The Watts’ home on Saratoga Trail was about half that distance to the Lindstrom’s house in Erie.
The party was held by Jeremy Lindstrom for his 5-year-old son. Chris Watts was there, and so were his two daughters.
Murder suspect Chris Watts and his two little girls, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celste, were just at Lindstrom’s home for Jeremy’s little boy’s birthday party. The girls were happy. They were normal. And, so was Chris. Or so it seemed.
“He would reach out and help anybody that needed help with anything,” Lindstrom said. “He was a good mechanic if you needed help with your car – he’d help you. If you needed help with furniture, he’d be over there in a heartbeat to help you out. You don’t know what, when, why, where or how everything goes weird.”
42. Should the DA pursue a death penalty in this case?
According to Colorado law, a district attorney has 63 days from the date of an arraignment to determine whether to pursue capital punishment in a murder case. An arraignment hearing isn’t on the docket yet and won’t be scheduled until Watts’ next hearing in November. – Denver Post
43. Photos of Chris Watts as a young man:
44. More photos of Shan’ann during previous pregnancies and the aftermath after giving birth.
45. Chris Watts isn’t talking to his family, even though he has nothing else to do except sleep all day. He’s not allowed reading material or television, and has virtually no one to talk to except the prison guards who look in on him every 15 minutes as part of an ongoing suicide watch.
If Chris Watts isn’t talking to family this may be because:
- He knows [and perhaps they do too] that calls are monitored, and that anything they say over the phone can and will be used against him [or them] in a court of law.
- He doesn’t want to talk to them [for the above reason and perhaps other reasons].
- They don’t want to talk to him.
We know Chris Watts’ dad flew in to see his son at around the time of his arrest and confession. We don’t know much more than that – who Watts senior is, what he does etc. We do have a photo of him at the house on Saratoga Trail, however.
46. Shan’ann’s father was in court during the initial hearing, and was memorably emotional about the fate of his daughter and granddaughters. Chris Watts’ father, evidently wasn’t in court, even though he possibly was in town. Interestingly, neither of the mothers were in court, perhaps because they couldn’t all afford to travel.
47. On September 17, 2018 District Attorney Michael J. Rourke vehemently opposed the release of autopsy reports on the basis of “injury to the public interest”. As the motion notes, autopsy reports are public documents, so Rourke is likely to have an uphill battle withholding them from the public and also from the media, until November.
The motion is explicit in that all three victims were dead when they were moved from the crime scene [the Watts residence]. The District Attorney notes that the cause of death has not yet been made public. I’m not sure that’s accurate.
Police and prosecutors have not said officially how any of them died, though court records suggested they were strangled. – Denver Channel
Besides that, Chris Watts has suggested the same and that irrespective of who committed murder, it was murder by strangling. Possibly this isn’t accurate, but even if it isn’t, the defense attorneys will be in possession of the same facts. It may be that by going through the motions of putting forward this motion, the District Attorney wishes to be seen as being responsible and conservative, as opposed to purposefully and recklessly leaking sensitive documents.
Given the high profile nature of this case, it seems a stretch to imagine October will go by without even a redacted version at least being made public, as occurred in the Ramsey case which also had a sensitive autopsy-situation.
In the Ramsey case it took as long as seven months for portions of the autopsy to be made available, prior to any hearing. In that case there was an army of lawyers and a reluctant prosecutor’s office holding the tides at bay, and ultimately they succeeded – the case never went to criminal court.
An example of a redacted autopsy report [although minimally redacted] is the autopsy of Travis Alexander, the infamous murder victim of Jodi Arias.
Back to the Watts case: the District Attorney, through this motion, also appear to be concerned about autopsy results tainting witness testimonies and “impacting” potential jurors. By handing this over to the court, the prosecutor’s office effectively keeps their side of the story clean, and the onus for the release then lies on the partiality of the presiding Judge.
48. HLN’s Ashleigh Banfield interviews Richard Hodges, a former college roommate Chris Watts. This is going back more than 13 years – approximately 2003 – 2005. What was he like? “Straight as an arrow,” according to Hodges. It doesn’t seem like he intended this as a double entendre on the word straight.
Hodges describes Watts as very dedicated, and he does look the part of the dedicated husband – washing dishes, mowing the lawn, keeping fit etc. But Hodges goes further, describing Watts as a dude that didn’t go out partying when everyone else did. He was “very hard on himself” according to Hodges.
Banfield raises an interesting point when Hodges admits he was the closest to Watts out of their group of friends, and that even they weren’t really close. They weren’t Facebook pals either.
“Chris was quiet. He was pretty reserved. But not in like…what I would say a negative fashion….He was more of the kind of guy who you become friends with…out of like…happenstance. We were obviously friends because we were in classes together, and that’s how we ended up meeting. He very very rarely went out with us, so maybe that contributed to it…He wanted to get those good grades. He wanted to do well. So he would never do anything to jeopardize that like partying, or drinking…”
163. Just in from the Longmont Times-Call, a daily newspaper serving Northern Colorado, prosecutors are asking the court to order Watts to provide ink footprints [as opposed to fingerprints]. This is according to court documents filed on September 18th.
Weld County District Attorney Michael Rourke wrote in the motion that the Colorado Bureau of Investigation has “developed possible bare foot impressions” from “items of evidence.” The items of evidence are not described in the motion, but Rourke does say they were collected at the scene where police found the bodies of 34-year-old Shanann Watts and her children, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celeste. – Longmont Times-Call
49. Ashleigh Banfield interviews a tech expert on the data her Apple series 3 watch may have stored [automatically uploaded to the cloud] in the last hours of her life. Apple watches automatically record movement and effort level. Both Shan’ann and Chris had these expensive Apple watches. Banfield raises a good point. The data rests in the cloud for 30 days, and that period has now passed since she died. Have prosecutors managed to extract the data in time?
50. In an order oddly dated two days from now, Judge Kopcow denies Chris Watts’ request to investigate leaks by the law enforcement.
166. Chris Watts has also refused to consent to DNA tests citing lack of probable cause.
51. Chris Watts case: Expert says ‘trace DNA’ could be found on daughters’ bodies – this turns out to be lousy clickbait, with a play on the word “could”. The article isn’t about stating that trace DNA was found as fact, but that it could [foreseeable] be found. The news cycle seems to be slowing down and drying up.
The only useful point in the above article notes that both sides are being very thorough because this is lining up to be a death penalty case.
52. In the same way that the Denver Channel appears to be using suggestive language to lure clickbait, the Daily Camera is at as well.
Their article on Chris Watts defense attorneys accusing the DA of “withholding evidence” is actually another version of the story that the DA don’t want to release the autopsy evidence to the public.
53. If his adultery [adulteries] played a significant role in why he committed murder [murders?], then Chris Watts must be aching to see his lover/lovers. But to do so could wreck his legal case if the “list” were made public. Something of a conundrum, right?
A judge has denied the request of an accused Colorado killer to keep the names of all his jail visitors under seal. – Daily Mail
54. The autopsy results must be submitted to court no later than today [under seal] – September 25th.
The prosecution meanwhile is already doing all it [can] to keep the autopsy reports under seal…
55. Meanwhile, on HLN:
The above discussion analyses the importance of bruise patterns on the children’s necks. In the Amanda Knox case, the bruises on Meredith Kercher’s neck were so clear, investigators were able to tell that they matched the size and shape of a woman’s fingers. But it’s no as conclusive as a fingerprint unless there’s DNA present as well.
Far more key, in terms of evidence, will be the autopsy results, particularly the food contents of the girls’ stomachs. It could turn on whether the birthday cake treats from Sunday were still in their digestive tracts or not when they were killed.
56. Many were expecting the arrival – if not the release – of the autopsy reports today. At noon the Denver Post confirmed that according to the prosecution, the autopsy reports were not available.
57. According to the Coloradoan the court has ordered WELD DA to release autopsy results to Chris Watts’ attorneys.
58. There appears to be unprecedented interest in gaining access to the autopsy results of the four victims. Not only have media made their intentions clear, but members of the public as well. Media is apparently calling the Weld County Coroner’s Office on a daily basis.
59. Shan’ann made a Facebook page for Bella when she was born. From the list of 38 friends on Bella’s page, some are family and several list themselves as “Brand Promoter at Le-Vel”. The page lists her favorite sports teams as the Pittsburgh Steelers, and her favorite music as Bruno Mars. Final activity on the page was on May 24th, 2014.
60. Chris Watts isn’t supposed to have access to any media reports, but apparantly he’s aware of how “infamously famous” his case has become, including internationally.
Watts has said he feels the public doesn’t know the full story, the source says. “He feels like no one understands him, and nobody knows what happened,” says the source. “He thinks if they did understand, they’d realize that he’s not the monster everyone says he is.” – People
My personal view is that he’s right that most people don’t understand who he really is, but I’m not sure that makes what he did any less monstrous.
61. Large moving truck arrives at Saratoga Drive. Shan’ann’s father Frank seen moving a bed-frame and mirror into it under police supervision. An unknown 30-year-old woman was with him.
62. More than ten days after posting my analysis on the access hatches on Shakedown, HLN has decided to cover it.
Some factoids that emerged from the interview with the petroleum engineering professor:
- CERVI 319 was producing about 200 barrels of oil per month.
- The expert believes liquids were shifted from one tank to another in order to gain access from the bottom, which he says requires not only a lot of technical knowledge but also requires a certain amount of time. He doesn’t specify how much time, but one can assume it would take weeks to fill the tank even a little, rather than days or hours.
- It would take three months to fill the tanks naturally.
- HLN notes what Shakedown indicated earlier, that the access hatches are too small to place an adult inside.
- HLN believes they were also too small to fit the children’s bodies in.
- The professor suggests the clean-out manways [plural] at the bottom had to be opened to dump the bodies, a rigorous process involving the loosening and refastening of a large number of bolts.
- The time to unfasten and refasten the bolts [presumably for both manways]? The professor estimates an hour.
- That’s an eternity at a crime scene trying to get rid of three bodies with the sun coming up..
The only problem with this line of questioning is this, which is a screengrab taken from the video below, depicting a bird’s eye view of the setup similar to CERVI 319.
If that’s an access ladder it suggest there’s enough space not only for a child, but for an adult technician to descend into it. Here’s another diagram showing the internal ladder but not connected directly to any access hatch.
It’s difficult to make out on the HLN image; the angle doesn’t show a stairway leading to the top of the oil tanks, and clearly there was one. The reverse angle does show the staircase.
The below image is of a “floating roof” tank. Although that’s not the sort of tank design at CERVI 319, the design in the floating roof does allow for a hatch with a ladder through it.
63. Image of Deeter posted to Shan’ann’s Instagram.
64. HLN interviews Matt Francis, Shan’ann’s high school teacher. Francis describes “being very impressed with how she did Facebook Live…and how she’d become such an encourager”. He also describes Shan’ann as having come a long way. “You’d be amazed at how far she’s come. She’s a wonderful, beautiful human being…she was a very insecure young lady who didn’t have a lot of friends when I met her at 14-years-old.” She was also teased a lot – humiliated – while in high school.
Francis pronounces Shan’ann’s name as Shanna ‘ann, and says she didn’t correct his mispronunciation of her name in three years.
Francis also describes Shan’ann as “thriving” while under her tutelage. Methinks he’s just another dude that’s drunk a little too much of the MLM Kool-Aid.
65. Chris Watts is inmate #360519 in a Greeley Colorado jail cell.
66. HLN noted in late September that Chris Watts made numerous complaints to the Judge about press leaks. He referred specifically to many complaints but apparently had no comment about People magazine articles discussing his affairs, including with another man.
67: “Listen, everything about this case is over the top. And I think it’s because nothing about this case makes sense. You don’t typically have an accused family annihilator with a background like Chris Watts, with a wife like Chris Watts, with children like Chris Watts. With Facebook pages like Chris Watts. A guy like this who everbody, I mean literally everyone who we contacted, has said, ‘This is not…the guy.” – Ashley Banfield, September 29th, 2018
There’s as good a description as you’ll find for a man with two faces.
1. TWO FACE BENEATH THE OIL is published on October 1st, 2018, exactly 3 weeks after the first book in the K9 series. The second book digs far deeper into issues of identity, backstory and the motives for the murders.
The second book also presents a possible scenario for the murder of Shan’ann Watts, including where in the house it may have taken place, and how it was executed.
2. It appears CERVI 319 is situated on the Guttersen Ranch, a 35,000 acre-ranch 10 miles sutheast of Kersey, which holds Guttersen’s family homestead, barns.,outbuildings and horses. The ranch also is a working cattle ranch with about 3,000 head of cattle that run between Guttersen’s and an adjoining ranch to the east.
3. The autopsy reports of Shan’ann, Bella and Celeste were released today [October 2nd] by the Weld County District Court in Greeley, Colorado. However, as per Judge’s order, the autopsy results remain under seal because of potential “substantial injury to the public interest.”
4. Motion for an emergency hearing. This appears to be about time-sensitive inheritance law. Shan’ann died intestate [without leaving a will], and so, under normal circumstances the surviving spouse would inherit. Life insurance policies of Bella and Celeste will probably be disputed.
NOTE: THIS THREAD ENDS HERE.
COVERAGE OF THIS THREAD CONTINUES AT THIS LINK.
[Fact Counter #185]
TWO FACE is available now at this link.
TWO FACE II is available now on Amazon.com
TWO FACE III is available on Amazon now at this link.
74 thoughts on “Christopher Watts: What else do we know? [UPDATED]”
You might want to correct this part
“an unborn 15 year old foetus” lol
Thanks for putting all these factoids together.
I’m going through them now.
Really? LOL NICHOL KESSINGER???
Are you the Nicole the Coworkers are refering too? Why are you on the witness list? I feelnlike you coukd shed a littke light?
You are a flagrant liar NK. You were completely obsessed with his wife and you chased after a married man you KNEW was fully married. Here are their emails. Work Emails Watts Murders
You are a flagrant liar NK. You were completely obsessed with his wife and you chased after a married man you KNEW was fully married. Here are their work emails. Read here:
What is there to ‘lol’ about in this case? (directed to first to comment, Nichol Kessinger)
This is just unbelievably interesting. Thank you for helping us piece together some of the background info. When I heard the bedding was wadded up and on the floor I first wondered, did he have his mistress in the bed he and Shanann shared the weekend she was gone? If he killed those precious little girls before she arrived home, wouldn’t she have wanted to look in on them before she went to bed? And if so, she could have been strangled anywhere in that house, then the sheet used to bundle her up and carry her body away. DNA testing on the sheet should be very revealing. One other thing I’ve noticed – there doesn’t seem to be any mention of a Mrs. Rzucek, Shanann’s mother. She wasn’t in court, or pictured in the family vacation photo. If Shannan grew up without her mother, or there was some family trauma in her childhood that influences the kind of mate we pick.
Her poor mother was probably totally traumatised, id have to be hospitalised I’m sure, how to hell cud u accept or cope with what happened your child and grandchildren 😢😢😢
Good point about her mom. I’m not convinced the children were killed before she arrived home. Wouldn’t it have been easier to commit a silent murder when his wife was asleep and at her most vulnerable and unaware? But without autopsy information it’s early to be speculating on cause of death. No blood was mentioned on the bedding, and you’d think if there was blood, including on the sheet, it would have been mentioned. No blood on bedsheets, and bedsheets removed suggests a silent death [strangulation].
I believe the children were killed sometime over the weekend. The story said that her luggage and shoes from the AZ trip was at the bottom of the stairs. I think she didn’t even have time to get her luggage upstairs before she was murdered. I know if I came home that hour of the night and hadn’t seen my babies the whole week-end I would drop my luggage at the bottom of the stairs and run up to check on them before I did anything else. The story also said a pair of shoes had been kicked off and left by the front door. I think she was murdered before she even had a chance to check on her babies.
I believe so too. She is said to be OCD meaning she would have put her clothes away. I also think she didn’t have a chance to see her daughters and I wonder if he had already killed them when she arrived home.
From arrest affidavit: “Several pillow cases recovered from kitchen trash can”.
After strangling his wife, he realized he could not put the girls through the same torture. Possible suffocation with bed pillows. It avoids eye contact with victim.
I was thinking semen on the sheets and the bodily fluids of another – if he had entertained his mistress while his wife was away. But that’s pure speculation. Then no need to worry about the kids telling on dad, they will be gone. This bothers me more than anything. How could he stare into their little faces squeezing every last breath out of them. Suggests to me he never loved his children, never cared about them at all.
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It does make more sense though that the kids were still alive and asleep when she arrived home. Had they been dead, there would be signs of a struggle so she was likely strangled first, then the children. And one trip to the oil field, otherwise the neighbor’s video would have captured him leaving the house twice in the early morning hours. He had been counting on her return home being alot earlier but for the delayed flight. I wonder how long he had been planning and plotting.
The top photo (Myrtle Beach) is of Shanann and her father, not Chris Watts.
Who is directly behind her in the red circle?
Chris is.. he went that last week theybwere there.
Wow! I see him behind her now. He kind of blended in with the background. I didn’t realize that he was with them at the time. I thought he stayed in Colorado when she and the girls were visiting her father.
Finally got a name for Shanann’s mother – Sandra O. Rzucek of Erie, CO. Took it from an obituary of Frank’s mother, Joyce Rzucek of Clifton, NJ. (who’s husband was also named Frank and is deceased). A little more digging could shed some light on Frank and Sandra’s marital status – should anyone wish to
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Her name is common knowledge in all the FB groups. She goes by her maiden name and they’re still very much married.
Nichole there is no lol in the death of a mother and 2 little girls and an living human being of a child to be born. But of course you must have been ONE of the mistresses. One of the h@@@. This is a tragic death of 5. Not a lol you pos
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Her parents are married and just a few minutes looking at her Facebook profile will tell you that the family had a great relationship with her mother. Stop spreading lies. Her mother is overcome with grief, who wouldn’t be!? That’s why she wasn’t in court.
Not spreading lies – that’s your interpretation. Wondered why her mother isn’t mentioned at all, along with her father and brother. Wondered why her mother is not pictured or mentioned. Would you have known to look up a facebook profile had I not provided a name? Even Laci Peterson’s father, ex husband of Sharon Rocha, was visible at a press conference as messed up and overcome with grief as he was. Be wrong, that’s fine. But assuming is lazy.
NVDL makes a very good point by doing the math. With all of their expenses, another child on the way, their level of debt (which could have been erased with the first bankruptcy, don’t know) Watts may have thought there was no way out. But it comes down to greed, doesn’t it? There is always a way out. Sell the house, live more simply, hire a bankruptcy consultant. Her business was doing well too. Had he left and filed for divorce his situation would have been even more dire – child support, alimony, spousal support, he might have been ordered to allow her to live in the house and continue to pay the mortgage. I don’t think he had an emotional conversation with Shanann over leaving – not likely at 2 a.m. in the morning. Otherwise she couldn’t have just gone on to sleep. I think the emotional conversation about leaving was fabricated to fit Watt’s story about her leaving/missing. Then he changed it to provide himself with a motive for killing her – because “she became so upset she killed the girls, so he had to kill her.” When his stories fell apart, he became the suspect in chief.
I wonder just how long he had been planning this? And did he have life insurance policies on his wife and little girls? He would not be the first person to kill their spouse and kids for the life insurance money. And that would have come in handy since he had such dire financial trouble. If true, from his point of view it would be a win/win….his family out of the way and a way out of debt so he could start his NEW life with his mistress. Of course, I’m just speculating because I have yet to hear anything about life insurance policies. Have y’all heard anything? I do hope they’ll do a VERY thorough investigation of the mistress. If she knew what he had planned and did nothing, then she is just as guilty as he is…in my opinion.
Some very good questions Kim. It does look like he’d taken insurance out on his children.
The finances are a key area to look into, just as they were in the Scott Peterson case. Not the broad financial situation, the detailed accounts, the ebb and flow, the instruments they had set up. Clearly there was money coming from somewhere to pay for those overseas trips, and who knows, perhaps there was a pot of gold intended for the new child. But perhaps it was Shanann’s pot.
Her cell phone phone on the scene call also be very useful.
I only saw it mentioned in your comments and not in your fact list that Chris was on vacation with Shanann for a week or so of the 6 she spent in NC.
Also, I didn’t read on your list that the children were seen at the birthday party at the friends’ house Sunday night.
There’s a brief interview with those Sunday night people and they’re friends with S on FB.
Also, maybe there should be a reference to the odd covering of the doll on the furniture a couple days before, when Shanann was home between NC and AZ. It was posted on FB page with S’s comment “I don’t know what to think about this.”
Amazing research, as usual, Nick!
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absolutely amazing research. it tells a lot. This case has really disturbed me more than any other I have followed why why why would he do this?
In the discovery it states that je posted the pic of the doll covered on the couch to just mess around with SW. Also he stated he took the kids to the party that sunday. And the other fact u were asking about he also stated if u read the discovery the whole 2000 pages or so I believe he states alot
Thanks Marcia. Anyone know what kind of car Nickole Utoft Atkinson drives?
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i believe she earned her Thrive car as they were at the dealership picking it out a/t S’s FB page. Lexus? but don’t quote me.
No I actually contacted Nickole on Facebook. She never got the new car. I’d be interested to know what her usual car was.
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Wow! Excellent coverage of the details. I stumbled across this while playing arm-chair detective and I was impressed.
That said… two of the points covered need correcting.
#49 – According to the affidavit Watts was arrested at 11:02 p.m. on Wednesday, August 15th, 2018. He therefore could not have been making plea’s to the media on Thursday, August 16th.
#88 – Sandi Onorati is not a colleague of Shan’ann’s mother. Shan’ann’s mother is Sandi Onorati Rzucek.
Awesome site – I’ll stay tuned in for updates.
Thanks for those corrections Terri. Will fix and update.
I found it interesting that when detailing her work/holiday plans for the coming month in her live video, Shan’ann states that she’ll return from her work getaway on August 13th – Chris, who up to this point hasn’t spoken, says “the 13th?” and Shan’ann clarifies something like “Yeah the 13th, I get back at 1am”. Interpret that as you will but to me it makes it appear as though he was planning something significant for that particular weekend, why of all the dates and timeframes Shan’ann gave was he clarifying the date she returned from her work trip which we now know was the date he brutally murdered her? Maybe he was planning it for the 12th, assuming she would
be home earlier in the evening.
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Good point CSanderson, except when he interrupts her it’s to query when they’d both be returning from San Diego in late June. Her return from Phoenix in mid-August wasn’t scheduled to be after 01:30, they had an unscheduled flight delay. Either way it’s interesting that as early as May 5th she had the next 3 and a half months totally mapped out for everyone.
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Two things I’d like to point out. First, if Chris had life insurance on Shan’ann or the kids he hoped to collect to alleviate financial burdens, how would he collect it without bodies? Sure, down the road he could’ve went to court to have them legally declared dead, but that takes time. Remember, he tried to suggest they just, poof, “vanished”! He never meant for those bodies to be found, thus, forgetting any life insurance money anytime in the near future.
The second point – some suggest Chris had to have killed the kids anytime AFTER returning home on Sunday after the b-day party simply due to the fact that he picked up the girls, went home, grilled, and his truck never left the home until Monday morning around 5:30 am to go to work. Well, who’s to say he didn’t pick up the kids from the party and kill them and dispose of them BEFORE even going home to grill Sunday? Perhaps he’d told Shan’ann that he allowed them to spend the night elsewhere in case she wasn’t home in time for him to get to work the next morning. Perhaps he staged their beds to make it appear they were in them sleeping. Would be interested in knowing EXACTLY when and where those kids were last seen alive and if they were in pajamas or the same b-day party clothes when fished from those oil tanks!
Some good questions Diana. Although it’s a possible scenario you present, the likelihood that Watts murdered the children outdoors, and during daylight, is slim. Your observations on the life insurance make sense. So there must be another reason or incentive. Any idea what they might be besides life insurance?
Not saying he killed the kids necessarily in front of anyone in response to your comment that he would not have.. “……murdered the children outdoors, and during daylight.. ” . What I’m saying is, perhaps he took them out to that isolated work site where they were ultimately found and killed them there. Dumped them in the tanks, then dug that grave for Shan’ann? Daylight? Yes. Outdoors? Yes. Isolated from prying eyes? Yes. Just exploring ALL possibilities since he knew he would be pushed for time since I do believe the police when they say there was evidence he’d been planning the murders for some time. I’m not believing this was a case of someone killing in the heat of the moment. My understanding is that even if Shan’ann’s flight had arrived on time, it still would’ve been late. I’ve seen arrival times between 11 pm and 1 am, so he was in a time crunch to murder, plus dispose of the bodies on an 80 mile round trip and arrive to work on time in the morning.
As for motive other than life insurance? I truly believe it was simply to pursue life as a single man without the burden of child support. I think the time she was gone to North Carolina allowed him a degree of freedom he didn’t want to give up. I believe he found a new self-confidence with the weight loss and getting his buff body. I have no doubt that he was arrogant enough to think he could get away with the murders. He likely ascribed to “No bodies – No murders”. There’s countless “unsolved” murders just because no body was found. It’s still considered a brave prosecutor who would bring murder charges against a suspect where no body has been found. Many people are shocked that he would kill his kids since he came across as a very involved, caring, loving father. Again, I think 5 weeks away from the kids changed him. I’d also note that no photos or loving videos were posted with him and the kids AFTER they returned from North Carolina. Even the picture I saw where a stranger happened to take photos of all of them in North Carolina, shows Chris kind of just there, not engaged with Shan’ann, the kids or Shan’ann’s dad, who was in that photo. Whatever was possibly going wrong in the marriage must’ve become magnified in those 5 weeks apart, prompting Chris to want out. Im focusing on the 5 weeks because remember, Shan’ann was 15 weeks pregnant. From everything I’ve read on Shan’ann’s Facebook, HE is the one who came up with the idea of having another baby, pushing her to get pregnant again. How do you go from that to murder? That’s the only motive I can come up with, and, as usual, it boils down to what else? MONEY! NOT WANTING TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT!
Yes that’s what I mean. I doubt whether he would have gone out on a Sunday afternoon in daylight and committed murder. His vehicle could have or would have been seen, and Anadarko would also have wondered what he was doing there. Oil sites tend to be secure complexes.
Murder is an extremely risky business, so you don’t want to be seen anywhere near where the crime is committed when it’s committed. If you’re seeing transporting bodies it’s just as dangerous. A premeditated murder is also very, very unlikely to be committed in broad daylight and/or outdoors. The whole point of the planning is to mitigate risk.
“I truly believe it was simply to pursue life as a single man without the burden of child support.”
Well, a lot of marriages end for that very reason, without any loss of life. This isn’t just one person killed, it’s mass murder. There had to be a lot more riding on it than just wanting to avoid child support. Scott Peterson is an excellent reference case in this regard. I’ll be doing a blog sometime this week or early next week to address the pile of treasure that was tempting Chris Watts to commit this crime.
Yes, agree the 5 week period was absolutely crucial.
@Diana Unlikely. CW work truck GPS tracker would have indicated if he went to that site after the bday party Sunday. It did not. The FBI believe he killed the children prior to Shanann. They must have solid leads to give them that impression.
Thank you for your thoughts Nick. I guess the site where Chris worked is more secure than I realized. Him digging a grave and putting those girls in those oil tanks led me to believe it was isolated without any oversight. Makes sense though if there’s a way in and out that is more secure than I’m aware of.
As for motive? I agree people get out of marriages without committing mass murder, but on the flip side, many do kill just the spouse or the whole family at times like that as well. Chris Coleman who killed his wife and 2 boys comes to mind as well as the man who killed his wife, then later killed his 2 boys. I think his last name was Hacking? Ironic last name considering he hacked his wife to pieces! Anyways, being that I believe the police when they say they found evidence that Chris “had been planning this for some time”, I don’t subscribe to the “just snapped” theory. I can’t come up with any other motive except the motive Chris Coleman had – he fell madly in love with the mistress. I, too, would like to figure out where his head was! Drugs? Maybe that’s how he lost weight? Those Thrive patches? As for Scott Peterson, I’m assuming his motive was he didn’t want kids. Crazy! I do know this….when a pregnant woman is murdered or mysteriously just disappears, it’s almost always the father of the unborn child who’s responsible for her death/disappearance.
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Diana it’s great that you’re able to see into other cases. When we do that, we see how the suspects are similar, but also how they are not. It’s important to compare the full story though, and not handpick the parts that work for us. Here’s an example from the Coleman case:
“Exposing his adultery, the prosecution said, would have jeopardized Coleman’s $100,000-a-year job as bodyguard for televangelist Joyce Meyer…”
What that tells you is he didn’t just murder – he meant to get away with it, go on to a new life and continue to make a living. In other words, there has to be premeditation going on. Murdering your family is like a quick divorce with no financial bill. Think a husband isn’t going to think about it, or his reasons, or rationalize before he does it?
The murder of Lori Hacking is an excellent example. At face value it appears to be a motiveless murder. Was Mark Hacking mad, or on drugs? It’s always a mistake to simply assume there’s “no reason” for a crime just because a reason doesn’t occur to us. In the Hacking case a lot of the why had to do with the fact that Hacking was living a lie.
“In the days following Lori’s disappearance, while hundreds of volunteers searched for her, it became apparent that Hacking had been making up stories for years.”
Excessive lying to make yourself appear better than you really are is a sign of abnormal narcissism, and vanity. That may not seem like a strong reason, but it can be. Oscar Pistorius, OJ, Jodi Arias and Casey Anthony come to mind. I highly recommend you read Blood & Seawater, my book on Scott Peterson. It’s also an excellent reference case – if not the best reference case – for the Chris Watts case.
Blood & Seawater dives deep into Scott Peterson’s motive, and shows just how carefully planned the whole thing was. Also, surprise surprise, the primary trigger wasn’t the mistress, the pregnancy or not wanting kids, although these did play an important role. The real reason is so basic and obvious, we tend not to see it simply because it’s an everyday reality for most of us, and most normal people find a way to deal with it. Habitual liars avoid dealing with their problems. They cheat their problems.
Yes, I do recall the lies Hacking had been telling for years. As for Coleman, you’re saying the motive was to leave the wife and still keep the well paying job with, I believe Joyce Meyers, a televangelist. I hadn’t delved deeper into either the Coleman or Hacking cases, but I do recall that the facts you bring up about them are true. As for Casey Anthony, oh boy, what a piece of work that one. I actually live nearby where that circus took place. Would be interested to know what you think the motive for Caylee’s death was, or do you believe the accidental drowning scenario? I’m aware of Casey’s habitual lying, but haven’t felt the need to look into the psychological aspect of her behaviors. Right or wrong, I just see Casey as a cold blooded baby killer who lacks empathy and a conscience. Not laying the blame for the murder on Casey’s mom Cindy, but Cindy’s acceptance of Casey’s lies didn’t help that situation. I can’t say I blame Cindy for lying on the witness stand to help her daughter not have to face the death penalty though. As for Jodi Arias, I guess I subscribe to the – “Hell hath no fury… ” motive. I guess the reasoning for the actions after the fury has been triggered, and why, would be the place to look for those answers. As for Scott Peterson, haven’t read up on him at all. If the motive wasn’t “no kids”, what was it? I obviously haven’t a clue, but could possibly get more answers by reading more on him. I’ve been buried in a pile of books these days about the East Area Rapist/Golden State Killer Joseph DeAngelo. Talk about a case for the psychiatrists! So much to dig into with that guy. Seems like he had an addiction to watching people experience sheer terror! He’s also the ultimate control freak who’s living his worse nightmare being locked in a cage with such limited control of his surroundings! Just wish he would’ve got caught sooner. So Nick, I’d really love to know what YOU believe Chris Watts motive was for murdering his family. Sounds like you don’t think it’s money/child support, nor the mistress. Are you thinking Chris Watts has abnormal narcissism like Scott Peterson? What’s left?! And I dont believe he ever wanted those bodies to be found. I also think he’s arrogant enough to think he could’ve got away with it. I started reading your latest contribution on the Watts case pertaining to the portrayal of the perfect “Thrive” life on social media, but got interrupted, I need to go finish reading that. Do you think Thrive or social media contributed to the murders? What am I and most of the rest of the world missing here?!
Thanks for your response. Interesting that you live near where the Anthony circus played out. I don’t believe it was an accidental drowning, or any kind of accident. Also believe the parents were very complicit almost immediately in the cover up. My book Treachery exposes this aspect in detail.
I deal with motive in Two Face. What I will say here is that it had a lot to do with the actual financial circumstances of the Watts family. The same dynamics, interestingly enough, drove the Anthony family to do what they did including Casey.
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While there is absolutely no excuse for murder, I think a lot of us can see that Shan’ann was a very sick woman. Not as much physically as mentally unwell. Look up Borderline Personality Disorder. I think Chris was trying to end the relationship for a while, and she thought she could strong-arm him into staying. She tricked him with the new baby, thinking he was too good of a person to leave a pregnant wife. But, he finally was over the manipulation and emotional abuse. Plus, he’d found someone else. I think when she got home from her trip, he laid it all out. And she became enraged & killed the girls after he went to bed. She probably intended to hang herself as well but he caught her before she could.
People with BPD often have difficulties with impulsive behaviors. When they are experiencing the strong emotions that are typical of the disorder, they may do things without thinking about the consequences. If they engage in violence, it is usually not planned. It is an impulsive act done in the heat of the moment.
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I don’t think she killed them – because he called one of his co-workers the day before – after the birthday party, I believe – and told him that he would be out to that particular area/site early in the morning. So he knew then – on Sunday evening- what he was going to do the next morning. He also called the school to let them know that the kids would not be back – but keep them on the list.
How did the friend know that she missed her doctors appointment? That is private medical information and would never be just shared to whom ever wanted to know. It makes no sense???
She dropped her off hours before and had been travelling with her, so Shan’ann probably told her during the several hours they spent together.
Yet how did she know she did not show up?
Did the doctors office call someone and say that she did not arrive at 10 AM? Its really fishy to me? My doctor would never tell anyone if I was there or not. Shannann could not of told her friend she was not there because she was not alive.
Well, I went through this in my book TWO FACE. On the one hand you’re right, Nickole’s vigilance is a little over the top. On the other hand, some people are always on Facebook and one can sort of track whether they’re online or not. Nickole did say called and texted Shan’ann repeatedly that morning with no answer. So no answer to messages after her doctor’s appointment was weird. But I believe there’s a very particular reason why Nickole was so involved that Monday – again, mentioned in the book 😉
Folks, I read that S.’s friend Nicole Atkinson was supposed to meet S. at the doctor’s Appt. to hear the baby’s heartbeat for the first time. If this were true, then Nicole knew S. was MIA when S. failed to meet Nicole at the doctor’s that MON a.m.
Was he barbecuing that last night or burning evidence?
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I’m curious what the thoughts are on the contrasting notions that:
1. “He has no game, she had to do everything”
2. Shan’ann saying “I rejected him, pushed him away, and he stuck around” indicating that he took some initiative.. more evidence of a manufactured fantasy?
Also worth thinking about – did Shan’ann have much of a game? Beyond MLM?
I’ve not read this anywhere, it reflects my own thoughts.
1/ First time ever that I watched Chris Watts’ TV interview (possibly 1st-of-3)– just moments into the broadcast, my initial, visceral response was: “That guy is gay.” Blips on the Gaydar blinking furiously.
2/ Percentage of gay men who marry women in order to hide in the closet & perform on the down-low at their leisure, to keep up appearances of “decency and decorum” (per their own mores) are much higher than most Americans would ever suspect, or even think about. If CW were homosexual, esp. growing up in the South (Oklahoma, N. Carolina), a marriage of convenience would let him hide, conveniently, from prying eyes while affording him the luxury of seeking the company of men where-possible. The “best of both worlds” (again, in his mind) approach.
Through time, the strain of keeping up the pretense of a heterosexual marriage causes cracks to form in the marriage’s veneer. Other stresses hastening the crumbling are: Financial troubles (living beyond your means); Extra-marital affairs (men struggling w/ their sexuality might have affairs w/ other women to “prove a point”); Low self-esteem; And the related-but-separate strain of realizing that homosexuality in America is more accepted than it was even in 2012 when the Watt’s married.
3/ Photo of CW w/ Josh R. (above) is odd. Does that look heterosexual to you? A wife often lovingly places a hand, intimately, on her husband’s chest in photos… but a guy doing that to another man? Look again.
4/ Was this the dynamic in this shattered household? If so, Chris Watts’ hiding in the closet while struggling w/ the demands of keeping up this pretense could tolerate this lifestyle *compromise* easily until it became… intolerable.
The first look at C.W. that I had was the same response. I thought he was Gay. Your observations are spot on. Good eye. Tragedy all around. My heart has been especially broken over Bella and Celeste. Tears me up inside.
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I’ll bet anything that Chris Watts is getting a very big ego boost with all the love letters he’s receiving while in jail. After reading Nicks books TwoFace, I believe Chris Watts has been living in a ‘pretend’ world for so long that he may have lost sight of whats “real” Pretending to be happy. Pretending that Thrive was the answers to well being. Pretending that he was being faithful. All of the pretending during their videos.So much pretense. According to HLN some “source” has said that reality has hit him and he’s now mourning. If some sort of this doesn’t come into play with the trial then I will be very surprised.
Mistress H@@@ how shameful your behaviour – but not only that, you have the audacity to be so insensitive and so very rude. Thanks for posting though cz your true colours sure came through, only someone like you could say what you did, cz someone with decency sure wouldn’t have. CW just couldn’t seem to escape domineering women it seems, you seemingly being the icing on the cake. Read about how you constantly hoovered, chased CW around at Anadarko. How do you sleep at night? Have some respect a least now, show some courtesy and consideration for the lives that were tragically lost. “lol” really? it’s people like you with no principals and morals that would comment what you did. Should concentrate on your own indiscretions and not worry about correcting someone or saying such rude comments. Please reflect on this tragedy Mistress H@@@ because it absolutely and positively is no laughing matter “lol” that 4 precious lives were lost here. Why don’t you reflect on that, and keep your ignorant comments to yourself.
Id like to see more information regarding the weird picture of the doll covered up on the couch…and more info regarding the relationship between the two before married and during their marriage.. all these happy family pictures and videos seem to be a way of covering something up. And did Chris Watts have any guy friends he spent time with.. fishing, bowling..hunting, hanging out at the bar and playing pool? I didn’t read of any guy friends at all.
Renee I discuss the doll in the books. May have been used to measure whether the children would fit through thief hatch before the bodies were dumped. You are welcome to use the search function to search for stories on this site, there are over 150 on Shakedowntitle and CrimeRocket.com.
Things like relationship dynamics and more sensitive information is also handled in the books.
I shock! That I heard from news bad Chris Watts Evil Monster Murder wife Shanann and kids innocent. NO Murder. Oh My God Nasty I sick He is In Prison Jail Death Pending. We our heart sorry pray for Shanann and kids heaven of angel home with Jesus Of Christ and Mary of Guadalupe.
I’m glad he isn’t one of those murderers who take their own lives after they take the lives of others. I wanna see him over the years throughout his sentences. Suffering hopefully. The perfect punishment. He couldn’t have just pawned the girls off on either parents if his beef was with his (pregnant) wife? Pure sin. Pure evil. Too bad, cuz he’s the type that I’d find very attractive if I was younger. After following the story, the attraction wore off quickly. May all three be together in Heaven as one.
I was surprised that people thought that that was the real NK that left the comment in here. Anyway…
Hi, how are you connecting that Dwayne Kessinger to Nichol as father and as CW’s boss?
Dwayne Kess is Nicoles father, he had contract with company watts worked for, have to feel sorry for him, think he lost contract as a result
Where are you getting that information from? Can you cite the source please?
No source cited = no truth.
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