“Could thrive supplements and patch be the cause of Chris Watts’s Rage?”

I highly recommend watching the THRIVE promo video above to get a sense of the glossy, glitzy spiel they’re selling.

The short answer to the above question is no. I recall someone made a claim that elevated Vitamin B in the Thrive patches could have caused mood swings in Chris Watts. This idea and all permutations of it are patently ridiculous. It’s comparable to soaking a band-aid in alcohol and then claiming you were driving under the influence not because you were drinking, but because of the band-aid.

There is some reason to believe adverse reactions are possible including fatigue, headaches and/or abdominal pain.

I suspect the folks who’ve started discussing this idea that the Thrive products “caused” Chris Watts to lose it and murder his pregnant wife and two children on August 13 misheard or misinterpreted someone saying effectively: “I’m telling you, the Thrive shit drove him nuts.”

That part may be and probably is true. Shan’ann was a network marketer, which basically means she turned her whole life [including her family] into a series of sales pitches. Meals become sales pitches. Holidays are all about peddling products and the “Thrive” lifestyle. Literally everything becomes subsumed by it. And to get a sense of this, one simply has to look at Shan’ann’s Facebook page. She’s a brand ambassador and pretty much all her marketing is done on Facebook. Those who cheerlead her efforts are other network marketers.

So, revisiting the question: “Could thrive supplements and patch be the cause of Chris Watts’s Rage?” In the sense that he became tired of the endless rah-rah that’s part and parcel of network marketing, the tireless always-on selling, literally day in and day out, it’s a valid question.

Very likely he was very put off by it, and let’s face it, someone like that who is selling your home life constantly on Facebook, putting a little jingle on every moment, over time isn’t going to tug at your heartstrings. It’s not romantic it’s mercenary. It’s not genuine moments, it’s financial desperation.

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Although the Thrive business had a significant impact on Chris Watts’s disillusionment, it clearly wasn’t the main driving force in his motive to commit murder. It’s an important part of the puzzle certainly, but not the biggest part. Did it feed, in some way, into the motive? Absolutely.

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To determine the extent of his disillusionment with her one only has to trawl through Shan’ann’s social media to get a sense of the sheer volume of the promotion. It’s difficult to come across a single picture of her without one of the patches featuring prominently. She also has her husband and kids posing endlessly to sell the Thrive lifestyle.

It looks exhausting. In her video feed she has 357 videos posted over a two year period. That’s almost a video every two days.

Her Facebook profile photo shows her prominently lifting her arm and displaying a patch. This is her version of her identity. This is her version of who she says she is.

Shortly after her death, after posting a few initial messages of support, her Thrive pals reverted to more endless, breathless promotion on Facebook.

It’s maddening, and if the social media of her closest friends and their mercenary attempts to sell sell sell so soon after her distressing death, then her own content clearly portrays something similar – there’s a mechanical sense of a brand and product eclipsing almost all the family stuff on her Facebook. She has two small children and had recently become pregnant, so for the product placement to eclipse the kiddie and family stuff takes some doing.

There’s also an irony in the endless promotion of Thriving while they – as a couple – were dying. They were bankrupt, Shan’ann had an autoimmune disease and her husband was actively cheating on her. But it was all being sold and packaged as a shiny fairy tale.

The real question is did she know how bogus it was beyond the financial ruin side of things? Did she know the family was a fiction, but was selling it anyway? Based on a few early accounts by friends that have come forward, she did know/suspected her husband was cheating on her, and still sold him as the best thing since sliced bread.

But was her marriage really a sham?

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Well, wasn’t her job and what she was selling a sham too?

32 thoughts on ““Could thrive supplements and patch be the cause of Chris Watts’s Rage?”

  1. We don’t know how the stimulants in the shake and the pills affected any of the players. There are many sites out there which look at the stimulants involved and how they work, side-effects & withdrawal from them. Obviously none of them will drive anybody to murder. Could they make a user irritable or affect mood via use or cessation? It’s possible. Plenty of websites out there discussing this, before these tragic murders

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    • It sounds like this is being put forward as either he had a “disorder” or he took a pill, and that’s being fielded as the motive or the trigger. It’s not.

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      • I agree re multiple triggers and I don’t think anything he might have been taking causes anyone to kill entire family. Even if he was on some meds/drugs, would it work as mitigation in sentencing? Probably not but it might still become a defense theme. It’s also been striking, across social media, the number of company reps out there to take the focus off of anything related to the company’s practices & products and controversies around them. Major damage control operation going on.

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    • I am so glad you mentioned this, even though you really have not done due diligence in researching this stuff. ( directed towards author of this story)
      these products contain MASSIVE amounts of caffeine & caffeine containing herbal supplements such as guarana, ginko baloba and many other products.
      this poor woman finds her magic bullet to lose her weight, and her narcissistic husband started taking it immediately, of course I am sure he made it look like it was to support her business. the reality was he was a competitive POS who felt insecure with his wife & her success. Her personality could handle massive doses of stimulant, what effect did the drugs have on him? Started having inappropriate sexually deviant affairs. Sick POS!
      you want to know how these garbage supplements affect someone who already has a personality disorder, ie: covert narcissist, its well documented back during the 90s Herbalife craze. Look up the lawsuits.
      Frankly his defense should of went after this company IMO because a good defense attorney could easily say these MLM herbal companies are destroying lives by marketing these products as saviours to overweight overworked women & men. Why do you think Cocaine was so popular in the 70s and meth is so popular to the poor people in rural areas? its highly touted to push your sexual side into overdrive.
      RIP Shanann & babies. To anyone on THRIVE…. beware if you’re marriage is on shaky ground.

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  2. He could have been taking steroids. I have a hard time accepting their marriage was a sham. They had issues, lots of marriages do. Her selling thrive was her way of earning a living. Those videos and pictures were just a short piece of her day. She was a wife, a mother, a friend, a sister, and a daughter amongst other things. Could her focus on selling Thrive take away from her attention to Chris? Doesn’t matter – the bottom line is Chris chose to strangle them. Nothing made him do it. Even in a rage he chose to do it. He had other options. We would like to understand the motive to possibly prevent it from happening again. Maybe how to look for signs of it in someone else? Shanann believed in her family and marriage. It wasn’t a sham to her. Chris is the sham. He was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Was he always a wolf? Or was he a sheep that morphed into a wolf? I just keep asking why did he strangle them? And I keep coming back to he did it because he chose to. There will never be a good reason for why.

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      • It’s not that I’ve made up my mind, it’s that I feel like I’m in a vortex going in circles. I try to “figure it out”, but I’m stuck in a circle. I realize it wasn’t one thing, it was several things that added up. But I get stuck at the fact that all the things added up to his choice. He CHOSE murder. It’s sickening and I wonder why he chose murder. Why not divorce? Why not faking his own death and disappearing? Why did he choose murder? Did he think it was the easy way out?

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      • What Carlotta makes sense. Are angry because you watch too many youtube videos by those men who say they don’t want women, but instead of leaving women alone to have hero gentlemen, they spend their time trying to make women feel bad?

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    • I’m sorry Carlotta but you are wrong. They weren’t a normal functioning family, it’s obvious in all their videos. Her life was thrive in every way.
      Everything had to be way or no way. A very controlling abusive woman with a serious condition of lupus which she shouldn’t have taken thrive at all. Even patches are a danger as they go through your system. I have an auto-immune disease which is rheumatoid arithritis & also fibromaglia. Believe me it’s not just the pain but the fatigue is so bad. The only way I got better was by eating healthy & exercising. Is you notice shanann always look pale, tired, & breathless at times. She was brainwashed & obsessed with this company but she loved the money & attention. Chris on the other hand was reserved, & hated all this attention & the shit she couldn’t stop taking about. She used Chris in every way. Do this do that. In one video she’s doing her hair & makeup & says Chris does the laundry like everything else. I got sick of listening to her repetivi videos , so imagine him. He did it to please her. Sometimes in life we hold our anger & sadness within our selves, but the bubble has to burst eventually & that’s what happened. He asked for a divorce she couldn’t handle it cause she always got her way & eventually he snapped. Of course no one should murder anyone even your own children but this man ‘s anger blew up like a volcano & committed the most haunting evil act. No one ever knows what goes on behind closed doors & all the photos in the world that she had couldn’t bring her happiness. The simple things in life are the best, unfortunately she was unbearable with thrive

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  3. A pre-meditated murder doesn’t peculate and fester in a vacuum. We have to take a look at all of the people involved, even the victim(s). There may not be a “good reason” for why, but there is a reason, Carlotta. What I always wonder though is afterward. Does the killer think his or her situation has improved? Are there any regrets, any remorse? Do they really think they can get away with it? I’m sure they practice their stories but how the story is received is dependent on who’s listening and who’s questioning them about it – be it family members, police, kooks.

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    • I agree with you Pauline. How is Chris feeling now under suicide watch? 23 hours a day with nothing to read or watch? He snuffed out the ones that loved him. Reading up on psychopaths and sociopaths tells me they either have no feelings, no remorse, or make up lies in their minds that they believe to mak themselves the victim. If this is Chris, he’s feeling nothing or believes the law has it wrong? Can you rehabilitate someone like that? Like I said before, was a wolf in sheep’s clothing, or was a sheep that morphed into a wolf? Was he born this way, or did he become this way, or was it something else? If he can become this way, then that would mean any of us can become that way if circumstances were just right? Everyone has the possibility of doing good or bad. We all have choices. Would you make the choice to murder your family? Why did Chris make that choice? Oh man, I feel like I get sucked back into the vortex trying to figure it out. Help! Please give me understanding!

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  4. I see that LeVel is promoted as making “real money” by bringing in other “promoters.” Or in my organization I was involved in, “recruiting.” Over time they changed their language to “sales associates”, have no idea what they are calling them now but it’s recruiting. And, you are only as good as your last month, each month it starts over. People constantly see they can’t sell and drop out. Then they are stuck with thousands of dollars of merchandise. There is a time limit as to how long you can wait to return it to the company, but when you do you can supposedly “never come back into the company” and your sales director (the one up the pyramid higher than you) will get her commissions docked. Your hopes and dreams are dashed as well. Deal with that! One of our mantra’s was “Capture the Vision.” It’s very possible Sha’nann saw this opportunity to help get her family out of financial hock, maybe her husband believed, initially, it would too.

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  5. The part that is easy to miss is that for whatever reason Chris started to hate and despise Shan’ann, and his life. It’s not an unemotional crime, it’s the opposite. The key to figuring it out is to look at Chris Wattss’s true identity and true nature vis-avis the family dynamic [the true nature of the family dynamic]. An easy way to start, a first step, is to look at the worst arguments you’ve ever had with the opposite sex, and why.

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    • I noticed a lot of men in the USA spend a lot of time whining on about women, and also some women about men, as if men and women dislike each other there. So how is killing his children anything to do with arguments with the opposite gender? I know lots of males are easily led by all the weirdos on yout making videos, such as Incels angry that women prefer to sleep with men who make them feel good, but maybe it’s to do with him and not the opposite gender?

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  6. When I read this second “Treachery” book about Casey Anthony I understand that you have to be “in their mind” to figure out the why of it. Don’t second guess yourself Carlotta, that you might suddenly feel pushed to commit murder. It’s a certain kind of “trapped” as I see it. A belief that snuffing out the lives of those nearest and dearest to you will release you from your trap. It’s a false belief of course.

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  7. Aren’t there usually 5 – 10 different subjects common to marriage issues? Most arguments are over money, duties, jealousy, sex, child raising, alcohol or addictions, lying and…?

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  8. So Chris starts to hate Shanann for whatever reason…. he doesn’t want to be married anymore. Divorce. He doesn’t want to be a dad anymore. That’s the one that’s hard to figure out. Once a dad, always a dad. He has to pay child support or share custody. Maybe that’s why he killed the kids and then Shanann?

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  9. If we could have a real solid peek into Chris Watt’s childhood we might find other instances where he carried around suppressed rage, then acted on it inappropriately. I’m a big believer in early childhood decisions around one’s own family dynamic (the parents) that effects all future relationships to come. Or maybe he always played “the good son” – now mirrored in his particular dynamic with his wife. He was frustrated over not having the career he wanted, he likely spent more money than he took in, etc. Maybe his new girlfriend was whispering in his ear, feeding his fantasy about leaving everyone behind – only the strong pull to be “good” was pulling him the other way. He was pulled in two – so he needed two faces. Remember, he wanted to pull this off as a disappearance, but he just doesn’t have the personality of the high IQ con man. (Just some thoughts).

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  10. There is very little evidence released to come to any kind of solid conclusions. But with what’s available I’ve come to a slightly different line of thought as to what might have occurred that night at the Watt’s house.
    Just reading comments by people who knew them it appears that there may have been a serious rift opening in the marriage of an introvert and an extrovert. Who knows how long this rift between them had been developing, it could have been months or even years. The introvert resenting being pulled and pushed by the extrovert and the extrovert resenting having to do the pushing and pulling. The introvert developing a life beyond the control of the extrovert and the extrovert merrily skipping forward as though nothing is amiss. Just my opinion!!!
    I don’t see Chris Watts as a Scott Peterson. Peterson was cold, calculating and had a plan that might have worked. Not Chris Watts. So far I see no plan. Had he thought about killing his family? Probably. He wanted out for various reasons and he might have entertained the idea that if they were gone he would be free and collect the life insurance. But I don’t think he planned to do it that night for two reasons.

    #1 – When a spouse goes missing the remaining spouse and/or the last person to see the victim is suspect number one.
    Chris Watts tells the first officer on the scene, then the detective and then the media that he had an emotional conversation about wanting a separation and they were both upset and crying.
    Why the hell would he ever admit to that? Why the hell would he ever implicate himself in that way?
    The only reason I can come up with is to cover his tracks in the event that one of the neighbors overheard the “scream fest” that occurred that night.
    If Chris Watts says that his wife just came home and went to bed but the police have a witness that says they heard them screaming and yelling at 3:00 a.m. then Chris is in trouble and he knows it
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    #2 – No staging of the scene. IF the murders were planned then Chris Watts had more than 3 hours to stage the scene to coincide with whatever story he had planned. The scene was not staged as “foul play” nor “ran off with another man” nor “normal – nothing happened here.” It doesn’t appear to be staged at all.
    This leads me to believe Chris ran out of time. The “fight” raged for quite some time and he needed to either leave at a usual time for work or more likely he wanted to leave under cover of darkness.

    Who killed those two adorable little girls and why? I have no idea. Unless the Prosecution can come up with clear and convincing forensic evidence I might never know who killed them for sure.
    I have to remind myself that both parents had motive, means and opportunity. Chris wanted to be free and Shan’ann’s publicly portrayed perfect life was crumbling around her.

    Is Chris Watts a sociopath and a monster? I’m not sure but with what little information is available my first impression is that he is neither. Historically, murdering sociopaths rarely, if ever confess within 2 days of committing murder no matter what evidence police present. And some of them never ever admit guilt even while sitting on death row at the end of all appeals. But, as more verifiable information becomes available I reserve the right to change my opinion!!!

    As stated above, I don’t think Chris Watts planned any murders for that night. I think he snapped.

    Such a sad, sad tragedy. I don’t see any monsters in this case yet but we have a long way to go.

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  11. What does “snapped” mean?

    I’ve heard the same word with the Van Breda triple axe murder case, where a 20-year-old hacked to death both parents, his brother and his sister [she somehow survived]. It’s easy to imagine someone having a mood swing and snapping with a gun, but when there’s serial hacking with an axe, or serial strangling, the time period is longer. Snapping is temporary. These crimes took place over many minutes, and the cover-ups lasted several hours.

    In the Van Breda case his older brother took several hours to bleed out, and his sister ultimately suffered and bled and survived. The notion of “snapping” suggests a sudden change of heart. If you have a sudden change of heart, you ought to have just as sudden a change of heart afterwards, and yet we see none of that in the Van Breda case or the Watts case, or in the Peterson case for that matter.

    People use the word “snapped” and at face value it sounds right, but it doesn’t even nearly work in this crime. Mind if I illustrate what I mean?

    In the video clip below, Spock uncharacteristically snaps. This loss of control lasts a good couple of seconds until, in the midst of strangling Kirk he regains his composure and realizes what he’s doing, and restrains himself. He immediately feels embarrassment and remorse and contrition afterwards. He quits his position. But here’s the takeout. He didn’t just “snap” – his planet had recently been destroyed, and his mother killed. He was primed to snap in other words, and Kirk was trying to do exactly that using the advice of Older Spock.

    Older Spock told Kirk “I am emotionally compromised”. [Second clip.]

    It’s this process of emotional compromise that I’m investigating in the Two Face narrative, because it’s the area hardest to fathom and the area overlooked by virtually everyone.

    So it’s important to imagine Chris Watts “snapping” and the idea of Spock strangling Kirk and completing the action, then strangling another person to completion, and then another. There’s a lot of commitment there, and no contrition afterwards. It’s a lot deeper than snapping, and in any event, this idea of snapping doesn’t explain anything. What we’re all here to find out is the explanation that led to this moment. Is there one, or isn’t there? I believe there is and I believe Two Face will demonstrate the underlying conveyors in discomfiting detail.

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  12. But you are assuming he killed all 3. He says he killed his wife only in a fit of rage. Law calls it sudden passion which would lower his years in prison if found guilty. Of course I don’t believe it, so hoping that autopsies prove the girls were killed hours before his wife. It’s going to be a long time until he goes to trial. ☹️

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  13. I use the term “snapped” as opposed to “planned” for that specific night. Snapped in my context means an unexpected mentally broken response without a time frame for an end. Once you’ve “snapped” you might stay “snapped” (mentally broken) for hours or forever. You use the term as a temporary state of mind that is rapidly overcome and an “unsnapped” state of mind is restored. “Pushed” might have been a better word for me to use.
    You are completely correct when you indicate there is a lot of commitment if you strangle 3 human beings. The state of mind that must be present is unfathomable to me. The level of hatred, anger, frustration or indifference is off my scale of comprehension.
    I can’t speak to his level of “no contrition” without a crystal ball. He didn’t appear contrite in his plea to the media but “survival” is the ultimate human motivator. What does he feel now?

    In my opinion, if Chris Watts planned the murder for that night he appears to have the IQ of a hamster. (And that might be true.)
    From the evidence I referenced earlier I’m not seeing a plan for that specific night. I am seeing an emotionally compromised person who’s desperate to escape. (I realize that the question of why is he desperate to escape is what we need answered to learn anything from this tragedy). In his mind, he must escape his current life and I have no doubt that at some point he’s considered different forms of escape and may very well have come to the ultimate conclusion that there was only one answer. Murder. (As demonstrated by the famous Peterson duo – Scott and Drew. By Casey Anthony, etc.)

    It might also be true that he was “pushed” to that preexisting conclusion of murder in a fit of rage and frustration. In other words, he had entertained the idea of murder and had run the scene over and over in his mind but had not yet found the courage to pencil in a date on his calendar.

    I remain unconvinced that he “planned” murder. Two things I think might point to planning are the deaths of the children and the immediate story that implicates Shan’ann and if used as a successful defense could effectively reduce his sentence from life/death to 12 years for manslaughter.
    I need more evidence to be convinced it was planned. Will I get that from Two Face?

    You seem to be convinced that he murdered his children. I agree with you but I’m not willing to commit 100% until I have more evidence. Once bitten, twice shy. Susan Smith. I tend to keep all possibilities open until evidence leads them to closure. (Many times there is no specific evidence but the totality of all evidence leads to the logical conclusion that certain doors can be slammed shut).

    Either way, planned or unplanned I believe there is an explanation that led to the moment. I am almost completely clueless as to what that might be. In my opinion and with what information is available to me, in their relationship it appears one was “driven” and the other along for the ride. Control can produce devastating mental abuse but is that enough to push someone to murder their children? Lack of respect and constant berating can produce devastating mental abuse but is that enough to push someone to murder their children? Did those things even exist in their relationship? I don’t know. Is there a mental disorder with one or both? I don’t know.
    So I just might have to read Two Face to get your take on what might have led them to this tragic end.

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      • Certainly a “tell”.
        I only have the media interview but my very first impression was, “Whoa – can you spell narcissist”? (Seriously – I said that out loud.)
        It was all about him, I miss them, I need them back, the house is not the same (for me), etc. etc.
        It may be a “tell” but does that prove anything?

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  14. I sometimes wonder what the danger to women is from all those youtube videos by men frustrated that they can’t trap a woman in an abusive relationship with no confidence. Such a those ones who say they don’t want women, but instead of leaving women alone to have hero gentlemen, they spend their time trying to make women feel bad, or Incels who are angry women prefer to sleep with men who make them feel good

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  15. Why is it so hard to believe that taking this product that is NOT FDA approved could have changed the chemicals in his/her brain ? Have you seen people post who have taken this and it made them feel crazy. I think it’s absolutley possible thrive had an impact on both their mental states.

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